The makers of Within the Heights on how they turned the hit Broadway musical right into a film

After years of growth delays — after which a giant pandemic delay — Within the Heights is lastly headed to the display. Written by Hamilton’s Lin-Manuel Miranda and playwright Quiara Alegría Hudes, and directed by Loopy Wealthy Asians’ Jon M. Chu, it’s a joyous, electrical film musical that celebrates the largely Latino neighborhood in Washington Heights, a neighborhood in higher Manhattan.

The film faucets into the large goals of its characters, together with bodega proprietor Usnavi (Anthony Ramos), aspiring designer Vanessa (Melissa Barrera), Stanford scholar Nina (Leslie Grace), automobile service dispatch operator Benny (Corey Hawkins), and plenty of extra of their buddies and family members. Shot on location within the Heights, it feels prefer it’s hitting on the excellent second, with theaters within the US reopening and other people rediscovering their communities and the films on the similar time.

Forward of the movie’s debut, I spoke with Miranda, Hudes, and Chu by way of Zoom, in separate conversations, about comparable themes: how they noticed their very own youthful goals mirrored within the movie, the genesis of the undertaking, the challenges and thrills of adapting the stage play for the large display, and capturing in a neighborhood like Washington Heights. Beneath, I’ve compiled our chats into one have a look at a vibrant film musical that got here alongside at simply the fitting time.

Director Jon M. Chu and producer and composer Lin-Manuel Miranda on the set of Within the Heights.
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On the creators’ youthful goals and love for musical theater

Lin-Manuel Miranda

Theater saved my life. For me, it was like an invincibility cloak. A lot of the trauma of highschool is the life-or-death stakes inside your grade at any given time. However in theater, you make buddies with children in different grades. You’re doing one thing that none of you might be getting paid for or getting credit score for. You’re simply attempting to make one thing higher than the sum of your elements. And also you all of the sudden have little pockets of allyship everywhere in the faculty. I bear in mind very distinctly when somebody hated another person, or somebody wasn’t buddies with me anymore, I’d be like, “Okay, I’m going to go go to my buddies a grade youthful and discuss to them about it and possibly we’ll take heed to Lease collectively.” The world will get a lot greater.

And also you’re attempting to make one thing collectively. I bear in mind our “unlawful” rehearsals, as a result of faculty rehearsal wasn’t sufficient time. We might go to a church basement in Bay Ridge, Brooklyn. For me, that meant taking the A practice to the D to the R, an hour and a half, to do rehearsals throughout spring break in order that it might be the perfect factor it might be. We had been giving our trip to try this. The way in which you find out about sacrifice, and the best way you be taught that the world is larger than the rapid drama of the current, is a lifesaver in highschool.

Quiara Alegría Hudes

As a teen, I cherished writing. I cherished music, I cherished books. I did love theater, too, although it wasn’t so accessible to me as a toddler. However the occasions I did get to go see performs and musicals, I used to be actually rocked by them. I discovered it so enjoyable to write down. That was like my model of enjoying with Barbies. I might make {a magazine}. I might make a poem. I don’t know if I might even identify it as my dream, as a result of it was a lot enjoyable to do within the second. It wasn’t concerning the finish purpose. It was about how nice and great it made me really feel, simply the inventive act.

Jon M. Chu

I grew up within the Bay Space, and my mother and father would take me to San Francisco each weekend, whether or not it was musical season, opera season, or ballet season. So I noticed all of it — whether or not I paid consideration or not, that’s one other factor. I’m the youngest of 5 children, so you may think about us getting stressed within the seats!

However I cherished it. It was at all times in me. I took faucet dance for 12 years rising up, and piano, and drums, and saxophone, and violin, so music was at all times round.

I bear in mind being in Pacific Overtures in fifth grade, an expert tour that was coming by means of. I performed the boy within the tree. The unbelievable [original Broadway cast lead] Mako was in it, and it was an all-Asian Broadway present. At that second, that felt very regular to me. I do know that that stayed with me by means of all these years.

Despite the fact that I carried out rather a lot rising up, as a child, you don’t know when you’re a filmmaker or a storyteller, or how to try this, particularly again then. So in a approach, theater was the one approach in. I spotted I used to be a horrible actor and singer a lot later and realized that behind the scenes was way more my spot.

How — and why — Miranda and Hudes wrote the unique musical collectively

Lin-Manuel Miranda

A variety of issues went into that extremely fertile inventive time for me. I wrote [the first draft of In the Heights] on a winter break [from college]. I didn’t sleep. My long-term girlfriend went overseas. So all of the sudden, I had all this time, and all this angst, that are two of the substances you want probably the most if you’re 19 years previous.

At the moment I used to be dwelling within the Latino program home [at Wesleyan University]. It was referred to as La Casa de Albizu Campos, and it was on-campus housing. At Wesleyan, there’s a program home for each type of cultural affinity. To get into La Casa, you wanted to write down an essay about how you propose to serve the Latino neighborhood at Wesleyan. My entrance was the humanities. I used to be, I believe, the one arts main in my home. I used to be there with engineering majors and math majors. However we had been all first-generation or second-generation Latino children. I didn’t have that have in highschool. And all of the sudden I had buddies who had been actually identical to me in that we had been as fluent in some issues — Marc Anthony, the TV we grew up with, Walter Mercado — as we had been with mainstream American tradition.

I believe that was a giant a part of me with the ability to entry extra of myself in my writing. The whole lot I’d written previous to then type of seemed like [Rent composer] Jonathan Larson, type of musical theater-ish, rock-ish stuff. However I didn’t carry any of my tradition to it or any of my heritage to it.

Residing in that home, I spotted, “Oh, there’s extra on the market like me. I simply wanted to write down the truest model of what I do know.” This was in 1999 or 2000, on the time of the primary Latin pop growth. Ricky Martin, “Cup of Life.” Marc Anthony singing in English for the primary time. Enrique Iglesias, “Bailamos.” I’m watching all these extremely gifted Latin guys.

However they’re all extremely scorching Latin guys, and I used to be like, “That’s not me.”

I had directed West Aspect Story at my highschool years earlier than and realized that there was nothing within the musical theater canon that performed to any of my strengths. So it was like, “Let me write what’s lacking.” Then I had all of those different forces pushing on me that led to Within the Heights. Can we speak about ourselves with love? Can we speak about our neighborhoods? And have a totally Latino solid?

A dancer in a green dress is surrounded by other dancers in a dance club.

Melissa Barrera as Vanessa in Within the Heights.
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Quiara Alegría Hudes

I moved to New York in 2004, in August. I got here to New York with a handful of performs I had written concerning the Latino neighborhood in Philadelphia, which is the place I’m from. A producer heard a type of performs and was like, “I do know this man who’s writing a factor, and possibly you guys ought to actually get collectively and have a dialog.”

So Lin and I had been put in a room collectively. We didn’t know one another however we had been each type of as much as one thing comparable, which is that this pressing, joyous ardour and behavior of wanting to explain our life as younger Latinos on this nation.

After we met up — truly, at a restaurant close to the place we ended up doing our off-Broadway run — we had been like, “Are we long-lost cousins?” We each had these sturdy matriarchal figures who had been mainly neighborhood and household centerpieces, our abuelas. We additionally had mother and father who got here to the USA. They didn’t have a accomplished neighborhood to only plug into; they needed to actually construct the neighborhood that they had been inhabiting, by means of management, by means of advocating for providers.

So we had rather a lot in frequent and we wished to affix forces and inform the story.

After we had been engaged on the stage model, we’d get collectively typically as soon as per week, typically two or thrice per week. Typically it might be in Lin’s residence, up in Inwood [in upper Manhattan]. I might be writing, with my notepad or my laptop computer, curled on a nook of his inexperienced pleather couch. I’d say, “I wish to work on “Dawn” for a second.” However there’s not even a track but referred to as “Dawn” — there’s simply an thought of what it is perhaps. So I’m like, “You go work on the second verse of Nina’s track ‘Breathe,’ as a result of possibly it may have an thought.”

So he’s skateboarding up and down his very lengthy hallway, which is how he comes up with concepts. I give you concepts both by sitting statue-still or taking a stroll. When one among us had an thought, we’d write it out, then inform the opposite one what we had give you. It’s rather a lot like a relay race, passing the baton backwards and forwards. Then we’d meet with Tommy Kail, the director, after a couple of of these classes and share with him the work that we had give you collectively. Tommy would ask questions, he would level out weaknesses, he would inform us, “Oh, this factor actually resonates. Go additional on that. Take that to the subsequent step.”

Lin-Manuel Miranda

A part of the genesis of the present was Latino illustration in musical theater, which has a depressing observe report. I believe the one place with a worse observe report is Hollywood — possibly not worse, however tremendous totally different. It’s very arduous to seek out Latino tales with out crime or medication on the middle of them in relation to mainstream Hollywood illustration. That’s simply not what we had been eager about, however it’s so prevalent.

In case you go learn the critiques of the unique Broadway present, they had been like, “That is Sesame Road. There’s no medication, there’s no crime.” We needed to have the audacity to write down about ourselves with love, and to write down about struggling companies and fighting faculty and the stuff that everybody else has permission to write down about however us, apparently. If we do it, we’re airbrushing.

Five women in a beauty salon.

Melissa Barrera, Stephanie Beatriz, Leslie Grace, Daphne Rubin-Vega, and Dascha Polanco in Within the Heights.
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It’s unfair to place any type of undue burden of illustration on Within the Heights. Quiara and I are first-generation children, and we write from our perspective. What we tried to do was seize the issues we share. There are such a lot of hundreds of thousands of tales — there’s a track in Heights referred to as “A whole lot of Tales,” however there’s hundreds of thousands of tales — from the cultural specificities of the Puerto Rican American expertise, the Dominican American expertise, the Cuban American expertise, and we couldn’t get our arms round all of that.

What we are able to get our arms round is: In case you come from someplace else, what do you share? What do you cross on to your children? How do you’re feeling at dwelling, or not at dwelling? And have each character wrestle with variations on that query.

Deciding what to alter when migrating Within the Heights from stage to display

Jon M. Chu

It’s loopy to assume, however that is my very first musical. I really feel like I’ve been doing musicals my entire life, so it’s very unusual to be like, “Oh, no, no, you truly haven’t included lyrics and songs into your stuff.” That was a unique expertise, particularly if you’re working with Lin-Manuel Miranda, who’s the best lyricist and musician of our time. He crammed a lot into every track. I’ve to assist the viewers get readability — not simply listening to the phrases, however understanding the phrases.

That was a course of for me. It wasn’t simply expressing it by means of motion, though motion may assist specific these issues. Motion was only one piece of many several types of language that we would have liked to make use of. The most important problem was discovering a solid that spoke all these languages, that might ebb and stream between the languages with no blink of an eye fixed, with out you noticing once they leap to a brand new language. It needed to be so pure to them, in order that we felt that they had been all coming from the identical supply of power, not a brand new supply of efficiency. The most important factor we did was rent a solid that understood that instinctively, so I didn’t should attempt to make that occur.

Quiara Alegría Hudes

We needed to make the choice: Are we going to maintain Within the Heights in 2008-2009, which was a unique world than the one we had been adapting it in? We determined to make it up to date. So, what’s the neighborhood speaking about proper now? A kind of solutions was immigration and our undocumented household, buddies, neighbors. These have at all times been actually essential points locally. However the fever pitch, the best way that immigration was getting used because the type of litmus check of Americanness, and even humanity — it felt like we needed to handle it. And I used to be actually excited to deal with that extra immediately within the writing.

One other one was the nationwide dialog that occurred round microaggressions. That was new since Within the Heights opened on the stage, at the least at a nationwide degree. Unexpectedly I had a brand new vocabulary for among the experiences that Nina had been going by means of at school. It helped me articulate not simply the monetary stresses that her Stanford schooling put her household below, but additionally the cultural dislocation that she felt there, that was fairly profound, that made her marvel, “Is that this price it? Is that this price my mother and father sacrificing a lot for after I’m not even certain I’m wished there?”

These are among the issues that had occurred within the intervening years. I used to be like, let me dig into this. Let me sink my tooth in.

Jon M. Chu

One of many largest decisions we made at first was that this isn’t about gentrification. This isn’t concerning the massive, unhealthy mayor coming in and shopping for issues out.

The truth is, there was no villain on this film. It is a post-gentrification second, a second the place it’s occurring, so what are you going to do now? Everybody was going to take care of this in their very own approach, whether or not they’re going to battle it and protest it, or others are going to go along with it and make the most of it. Some wish to go away, and a few wish to keep. Some individuals don’t know what to do and are figuring it out. That middle actually helped us discover our path of what the story was.

Three young men in a bodega.

Corey Hawkins, Gregory Diaz IV, and Anthony Ramos in Within the Heights.
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Quiara Alegría Hudes

Onstage, you could have an intermission. You’ll be able to cram extra in, and other people may have time to digest it and stuff. But it surely’s totally different on movie. I knew we must reduce some songs, possibly reduce a personality. I made a decision to chop the character of [Nina’s mother] Camila, for 2 causes. I actually love that character, so it wasn’t that I felt she didn’t work. It was that I may nonetheless deal with actually essential matriarchs locally by means of [neighborhood matriarch] Abuela Claudia and thru [local salon owner] Daniela, so I didn’t lose a dialog about what ladies’s values are locally, and what the ladies carry to the desk.

What I gained from it was that the connection between Nina and her dad turned extra of a stress cooker. She’s an solely little one. All of his hopes and goals are on her. In some ways in which may be very inspiring for her and provides her numerous course. In different methods, that’s actually unfair. She has to advocate for herself and her proper to decide on her personal path.

Why Washington Heights wasn’t only a character, however a crew member and co-writer, too

Jon M. Chu

In fact, Do the Proper Factor is an inspiration to all films in New York, I believe, and to my very own private life. However the actuality was, I didn’t know what it was going to be like till I bought to Washington Heights, and I used to be proven this neighborhood by Lin and Quiara. They had been the perfect tour guides you can ask for. Lin would say, “That is the place I shot my dwelling movies, on this tunnel at 191st Road — that is the spot.”

I used to be like, “I’ve by no means seen this in a film earlier than. How can we get cameras down right here?”

They’re like, “That might take numerous wires.” And I’m like, “Yeah, let’s try this. We now have Warner Bros., they’ll do it.”

Or I believed, “We may take these previous subway automobiles and produce it all the way down to this previous subway station.” And we may try this.

The pool — [we walked by and I saw it and said,] “What’s that?” Quiara stated, “Oh, that’s the pool that all of us swim at.” I’m like, “Okay, let’s go test it out.” We went in, and I believed, “That is unbelievable, I’ve by no means seen something like that.” Quiara simply says, “Yeah, that is our pool.” I stated, “You guys swim on this? How humorous would that be to do a Busby Berkeley/Esther Williams quantity on this factor, with individuals of all sizes and styles and colours and tattoos and sneakers, and no one matching? How lovely may that be?” We walked away laughing. After which as we bought within the van, I used to be like, “Oh, no, we now have to try this. Because of this we’re right here.”

A woman in a bikini on an inner tube in a pool, surrounded by other swimmers in inner tubes.

Melissa Barrera in Within the Heights.
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I believe the neighborhood spoke for itself. Washington Heights wasn’t only a solid member — it was a crew member, it was a co-writer, it was all these issues. Even proper now, it’s our largest fan. The individuals who come from there, the best way they’re pumping up our film — you may really feel their spirit.

I couldn’t inform the distinction between our background [actors] and the actual neighborhood. Generally, there was no distinction. There’d be that neighbor who was sitting at their stoop hanging out, enjoying dominoes, and I cherished that we bought to lean into that. My mother got here to the set and I put her on the stoop. I stated, “Keep right here. We’re capturing this quantity. Don’t go anyplace.” My mother, you already know, she will get into bother.

So I am going and shoot and I come again — she’s gone. I’m like, “Oh, no.” Then I hear yelling, I lookup, and she or he’s on the second degree of the constructing consuming beers with the neighbors exterior the window. They’re like, “Oh, we noticed her, and we simply wish to hang around.”

That’s Washington Heights for you. That’s the cultural trade for you. I cherished it a lot that I had a son through the capturing of the film, [and] I gave him the center identify Heights, as a result of I simply love that phrase. It made me really feel the aspiration, the dreaming massive, the dreaming past your windowsill. I wished to say that phrase each day of my life. And I wished him to listen to that each day of his life.

The most important praise we get is that this film feels so New York. The rationale it feels New York is due to that neighborhood. That’s New York. That’s not the Empire State Constructing New York. That’s Washington Heights.

Quiara Alegría Hudes

The day we shot the “Carnaval” quantity, there was a lot stress that day, as a result of we’re all of the flags. And we’re like, “Do we now have each flag?” As a result of if you’re seeing it on the large display, individuals wish to see their flags. We will’t miss one or two. They are going to be proven. We needed to work actually arduous and get all these flags in there.

Afterwards, I hear individuals from screenings say, “I noticed my flag, I noticed my flag, I noticed my flag!” That’s one of many nice issues concerning the massive display.

Jon M. Chu

With out my expertise with Loopy Wealthy Asians, I’m undecided I might have understood how essential a close-up of meals is, or that you simply wanted a meals designer who understood the tradition and all of the little idiosyncrasies — what sauce was on the desk! We wanted to make room for that. I knew that was my job, to make the room the place the solid, the crew, Lin, and Quiara may all converse up. They wanted to make an surroundings for me the place I may ask silly questions and attempt to perceive this factor, as a result of I wanted to then talk that to the skin world who doesn’t know this neighborhood.

So I believe that there was a wonderful grace amongst ourselves, a secure area that we may perceive one another and that we may simply join on that. I couldn’t ask for a greater neighborhood to try this.

A group of swimmers in a community pool, with a camera rig in the foreground.

Taking pictures one of many pool scenes in Within the Heights.
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A brand new that means on the large display

Jon M. Chu

Whereas we had been making this film, I used to be going by means of a interval of my life the place I met the lady of my goals, I bought married, and I had simply had my first little woman. So I used to be like, the story that I’m making proper now’s how I’ll inform my little woman what the world is like. And the way do you try this?

I used to be additionally going by means of a time period the place I felt like my life with my household that I grew up with was altering and going away. It was unhappy to me. I stored considering, “Our greatest days are prior to now.”

However then I had my little woman, and realized, “Oh, I get to observe Animaniacs once more and present her? I get to point out her Out of This World? Oh, my finest days are forward.”

So I spotted, this film was about passing in your tales, about going by means of life your individual approach however understanding that your children are going to have a very totally different approach, and also you’re by no means going to know it. That’s going to create battle, however that’s okay, as a result of that’s how we progress. That America goes to be not the place that we expect it’s — America’s at all times been a dream — however what we make it. We every transfer it alongside in our personal approach. That centered what the film was about for me.

Quiara Alegría Hudes

Within the film model, there’s so many sturdy matriarchs, and there’s the notion of what makes a powerful Latina. [In the movie’s framing device,] Usnavi telling the story to those little children, these little women — in some methods, what he’s doing is sneakily saying, “Right here’s 4 or 5 – 6 variations of what a powerful Latina appears like. There’s no cookie-cutter mildew. There’s other ways to do it, and to seek out your energy and to seek out your energy.” And he’s telling this to those little women to assist them discover their energy.

So one new addition [in the film] is the scene the place he quizzes them on well-known Latinas. That’s as a result of I used to be studying the screenplay and considering, “That is in there. How do I put my finger on it a bit extra and nonetheless have it’s enjoyable and comedian.” So we bought that exact scene, which I like.

A grandmother stands on a subway platform, lit from the ceiling, with dancers in the background.

Olga Merediz as Abuela Claudia in Within the Heights.
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Why they’re so glad they waited for a delayed launch

Quiara Alegría Hudes

I really feel like this film inadvertently turned a extremely entertaining instruction handbook for the way we will be collectively once more. Truthfully, we’re rusty. We’re out of form. However Within the Heights is a bunch of individuals crammed into massive areas and crammed into small areas, being neighborhood members collectively within the area.

There’s this tiny element within the dinner scene the place Daniela and Carla are available, and Carla hugs Abuela Claudia whats up, and she or he simply pinches her butt. I find it irresistible, as a result of it’s so actual. That’s completely my expertise, too. We now have to relearn, actually, methods to hug the those who we’re closest to. So it’s just like the Ikea handbook for getting again along with your pals and neighbors.

Jon M. Chu

I like this film a lot. I used to be so excited to share this in the summertime. This movie has been a decade within the making. It was arduous. However you already know, we had different points occurring. We needed to shield our households. We needed to shield our neighborhoods. So [when the pandemic delay happened,] we may put it in a field and never give it some thought. I didn’t give it some thought. I believe we had been all actually good at not enthusiastic about it.

Lin and I had a frank dialogue final 12 months: Ought to we simply launch it [on a streaming platform during the pandemic], to offer it as a present to individuals who wanted it? My argument was that I’ve seen what films can do with a complete neighborhood of individuals — of constructing film stars that then begin a complete new path. We had that in our fingers. Why would we compromise that proper now, and provides it to individuals only for a brief interval of pleasure of their life, once they can have the enjoyment later?

Plus Warner Bros. had been going to spend tens of hundreds of thousands of {dollars} to make these stars stars. They will paint what the brand new face of the film star goes to appear like. And so they’re going to make paths for different films. It’s not simply this film.

That gave us focus. Who knew that we’d hit simply the fitting date, when issues are opening up? And that it’s going to premiere [at the Tribeca Film Festival] in Washington Heights, who is aware of methods to take care of wrestle, who is aware of methods to get again up? In that quantity alone, “Carnaval del Barrio,” they’re going to point out the world what it takes if you really feel powerless to get again up and really feel highly effective.

Lin-Manuel Miranda

It is a big-screen film. I’m so glad we waited. Despite the fact that I used to be dragged kicking and screaming into ready, I’m actually glad we waited. As a result of I believe lots of people are gonna select to see it collectively — and it’s a present about neighborhood.

A busy street scene, with fire hydrants creating fountains for children to run through and the George Washington Bridge in the background.

Washington Heights, as seen in Within the Heights.
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What it was wish to lastly see the musical on a film display

Lin-Manuel Miranda

My first time seeing Within the Heights on a film display was a couple of days in the past [in mid-May], at a drive-in in Puerto Rico with my cousins — who, by the best way, are named Kevin, Camila, and Daniella, all characters within the present. And imagine me, Camila is like, “What do you owe me for slicing Camila out of the film? The subsequent film is gonna be named after me.”

To observe it in Puerto Rico on the large display — as the children say, it hits totally different. The applause after each quantity. I at all times say the perfect week of my creative life was the week we introduced the tour of Within the Heights to Puerto Rico in 2011. I bought to play with Usnavi and we bought to tug these flags out. It healed one thing I didn’t know was busted to carry that present to Puerto Rico and have them be pleased with it. And I bought type of an echo of that [when I saw the movie there].

Quiara Alegría Hudes

By the point I bought to see it on a giant display, truthfully, I’d seen the screener so many occasions that the actually new ingredient for me was being amongst viewers members. It was virtually emotional after this 12 months and a half of social distancing and isolation to only hear a narrative with different individuals. I used to be so tuned in to the household behind me and the household to the left of me. It was fairly clear to me they’d by no means seen the stage model of Within the Heights. In order that they had been actually taking within the story for the primary time. They weren’t evaluating it to one thing else.

Once they realized what was occurring on the finish, I may hear them gasp a bit bit. I may hear them exclaim and be like, “Oh, my gosh, now that is sensible.” It was simply such a pleasure experiencing it with different individuals.

What I’m enthusiastic about is what this film will set off in different writers and different creators. I’m targeted much less on, “Okay, what am I doing subsequent?” What I wish to do subsequent is loosen up for a minute! I wish to sit again and watch different writers inform their tales.

I hope the film opens doorways. There’s numerous Latino writers on the market telling tales. However hopefully, if the film is profitable, producers view us much less as a particular curiosity or a one-time-only alternative, and really loosen up and say, “Okay, this will simply develop into a part of the business cloth or the manufacturing cloth of what we’re making.”

So I’m hoping that it’s profitable. I wish to see different individuals seize that baton and run.

Within the Heights premiered — in Washington Heights — on June 9 as a part of the Tribeca Movie Pageant. It opens in theaters and on HBO Max on June 11.

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